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Episode 790: Rough Translation in Ukraine

Cossacks look at Russian President Vladimir Putin answering a question on television, in Simferopol, Crimea in 2015.
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Cossacks look at Russian President Vladimir Putin answering a question on television, in Simferopol, Crimea in 2015.

Warning: This episode contains some explicit language.

When NPR reporter Gregory Warner arrives in a town on the Ukrainian front lines, residents try to keep their distance. 'Don't come here,' they say. 'When journalists come, the bombs fall." How did journalists come to be seen as instruments of war?

Ukraine is at war with Russia and fake news has been coming across the border in heavy doses for years. Russian TV stations routinely spread hoaxes that rile up Ukraine's large Russian-speaking minority, deepening divisions. Other stories just sow doubt and mistrust. It's a war on truth meant to divide Ukrainians, to turn residents against their government.

Gregory investigates how Ukrainians have learned to adapt and how they've been fighting back.

At first, volunteers start fact-checking Russian news and making counter-programming. But as the war wears on, these methods begin to seem inadequate. Censorship, once off the table, looks more and more attractive. The fight against fake news changes the warriors for truth. In a bizarre twist, fake news suddenly starts to feel more and more real.

This episode is adapted from NPR's newest podcast Rough Translation. In each episode, Rough Translation finds out how the things we're talking about in the U.S. are being talked about somewhere else in the world and brings back stories that change our perspectives.

Music: Original music for Rough Translation by John Ellis. Find us: Twitter/ Facebook.

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Gregory Warner
Gregory Warner is the host of NPR's Rough Translation, a podcast about how things we're talking about in the United States are being talked about in some other part of the world. Whether interviewing a Ukrainian debunker of Russian fake news, a Japanese apology broker navigating different cultural meanings of the word "sorry," or a German dating coach helping a Syrian refugee find love, Warner's storytelling approach takes us out of our echo chambers and leads us to question the way we talk about the world. Rough Translation has received the Lowell Thomas Award from the Overseas Press Club and a Scripps Howard Award.
Stacey Vanek Smith
Stacey Vanek Smith is the co-host of NPR's The Indicator from Planet Money. She's also a correspondent for Planet Money, where she covers business and economics. In this role, Smith has followed economic stories down the muddy back roads of Oklahoma to buy 100 barrels of oil; she's traveled to Pune, India, to track down the man who pitched the country's dramatic currency devaluation to the prime minister; and she's spoken with a North Korean woman who made a small fortune smuggling artificial sweetener in from China.